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Now, if we could just get that stickied...
Kalil Chernov
Now, if we could just get that stickied...

Maybe integrated into the Announcement?
Do you ubereducationamusses really believe that this will end all this repete?
Islington
Do you ubereducationamusses really believe that this will end all this repete?
It gives us something to link to instead of reposting that all the time. I'm simply going to bookmark this puppy and link to it when I feel it needs to be linked to.
Islington
Do you ubereducationamusses really believe that this will end all this repete?
Not one whit.
I've actually discussed the idea of making a stickied homosexuality thread (along with a few other far too common topics) with Nora-sama, and she replied
Noraboo
it's been proposed before, and it's not very effective. It's just not possible to channel all discussion on a subject into a single thread, and M&R doesn't need more stickies.

What it does need are more dedicated mods, since now I'm more forum wide than dedicated, and it will be getting those soon enough.

I agree with her, although I think a sticky might cut down on the repeats slightly.
For proof of the.. uselessness of stickies, just look at any of the half dozen threads created every day that could be answered by reviewing the linklist.
Axioma
I'm simply going to bookmark this puppy and link to it when I feel it needs to be linked to.
That's not a bad idea.
THANK YOU! This needed to be said, and as I'm too lazy to research the Bible, I'm greatly appreciative.
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Three, the shameful lusts that are spoken of are not specifically described.

not in the first sentence, but the rest of the passage is an explanation of what's going on. Only using one sentence isn't going to explain anything.

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Four, the fact that we have women doing things with women instead of men and that we have men doing things with men instead of women is clear from what Paul says in verses 26-27. However, Paul does not at any point say what is being done.

it doesn't just say "doing things". it says "even the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other." This means that the "things" women were doing with each other were "sex". I don't se how that's unclear. the men side isn't as obvious, because it says they burned with lust for each other, and did "shameful things" with each other...but I think we can conclude that these shameful things are the same as the women...
Epona Bride
THANK YOU! This needed to be said, and as I'm too lazy to research the Bible, I'm greatly appreciative.


you can't take one person's interpretation of the bible as true. I mean, you should even question your own pastor's interpretations. jsut because one person says it, doesn't make it true. I could say that the bible has nothing against murder, and have a billion points proving my side, but obviously, that's wrong. You need to form your own opinions...and if they fit with ananel's, then that's cool. But if we all just listened to somebody and didn't form our own opinions, we'd all be mindless zombies.
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I could say that the bible has nothing against murder
You could, but you couldn't back it up biblically or etymologically. Which is what Ananel can.
jesusrocsmysoks
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Three, the shameful lusts that are spoken of are not specifically described.

not in the first sentence, but the rest of the passage is an explanation of what's going on. Only using one sentence isn't going to explain anything.
To say that Ananel is using only one sentence is an insulting lie. Ananels entire thesis is based on taking that sentence *in context*, with both the rest of the passage and with the cultural context of the time and audience to whom Paul was speaking.
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Four, the fact that we have women doing things with women instead of men and that we have men doing things with men instead of women is clear from what Paul says in verses 26-27. However, Paul does not at any point say what is being done.

it doesn't just say "doing things". it says "even the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other." This means that the "things" women were doing with each other were "sex". I don't se how that's unclear. the men side isn't as obvious, because it says they burned with lust for each other, and did "shameful things" with each other...but I think we can conclude that these shameful things are the same as the women...
Again, you lie. And this time, I shall let scripture speak against you.
Romans 1, 26-27, NIV
26Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. 27In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.

Scripture says nothing of sex. It says lust. It says indencency. It says perversion. And would not the adultery so described fit all these things, with or without homosexuality being sinful?
Ananel

A) The Ceremonial Law of Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy no longer applies. Because of what is written in the book of Galatians and Paul’s writings in the second chapter of Colossians, we have clear declarations that the ceremonial law is now in the field of Christian liberty. Paul uses a variety of examples to declare this and lists several portions of the law, following with the declaration that all of it was nailed to the Cross and has been removed. This belief is backed up further by the book of Romans and the speeches at the council of Jerusalem in Acts (Chapter 15), along with selected sayings by Christ concerning ceremonial practice. If we decide to pick and choose portions of the ceremonial law to continue in observance as God’s will without clear relation of those parts to the commandments of God referenced in Romans, James and Revelations, then we place ourselves in danger of the ban of Galatians 1:8.

If this is the case, and most of you will find that your pastors will agree with this, unless you are members of the Seventh-day Adventist or similar denominations, then we have a big problem in the debate of homosexual sex as a sin. The problem is simple: The two clearest declarations of homosexual sex as a sin in the Bible are found in chapters 18 and 20 of Leviticus. If the ceremonial law no longer applies, then neither do these.


Now, what is no longer in practice is Ceremonial Law, while Moral Law is still in place correct?

However, how can you categorize all of exodus, leviticus, etc as ceremonial? The Ten Commandments are moral law, and appear in this part of the bible... so how do you make the distinction?

[/devil's advocate]
AyanamiRei
Ananel

A) The Ceremonial Law of Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy no longer applies. Because of what is written in the book of Galatians and Paul’s writings in the second chapter of Colossians, we have clear declarations that the ceremonial law is now in the field of Christian liberty. Paul uses a variety of examples to declare this and lists several portions of the law, following with the declaration that all of it was nailed to the Cross and has been removed. This belief is backed up further by the book of Romans and the speeches at the council of Jerusalem in Acts (Chapter 15), along with selected sayings by Christ concerning ceremonial practice. If we decide to pick and choose portions of the ceremonial law to continue in observance as God’s will without clear relation of those parts to the commandments of God referenced in Romans, James and Revelations, then we place ourselves in danger of the ban of Galatians 1:8.

If this is the case, and most of you will find that your pastors will agree with this, unless you are members of the Seventh-day Adventist or similar denominations, then we have a big problem in the debate of homosexual sex as a sin. The problem is simple: The two clearest declarations of homosexual sex as a sin in the Bible are found in chapters 18 and 20 of Leviticus. If the ceremonial law no longer applies, then neither do these.


Now, what is no longer in practice is Ceremonial Law, while Moral Law is still in place correct?

However, how can you categorize all of exodus, leviticus, etc as ceremonial? The Ten Commandments are moral law, and appear in this part of the bible... so how do you make the distinction?

[/devil's advocate]
The Moral Law is the Law of Love - Love God and Love your Neighbor. The ten commandments can be directly extrapolated from that, whereas Lev 20 and 18 pretty obviously deal with ritual purity.
AyanamiRei
Now, what is no longer in practice is Ceremonial Law, while Moral Law is still in place correct?

However, how can you categorize all of exodus, leviticus, etc as ceremonial? The Ten Commandments are moral law, and appear in this part of the bible... so how do you make the distinction?

[/devil's advocate]
Colossians says The Law, Ephesians says The Law, even Jesus said The Law. Nowhere do I see anything about only parts of it. The Law of Love is all that survived.

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