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Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2007 3:33 pm
The Bible are lots of manuscripts written by God's prophets. Not all of them have been found. What about those found? How are we sure they were ALL buckled up in the Bible? I'm not sure if the Bible was written/created by Roman-Catholicism (if I am wrong, correct me pliz), but if it was then only the most convinient things were put in there. Saying this doesn't mean I don't believe in the Bible, its just that...well I don't believe God created the world in 7 days, I don't find it logical. Things like that make me wonder, how can we bilieve all that the Bible has when, since it was written by men, somethings might of being cut off as well as added... I'm curious bout this...
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Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2007 3:54 pm
A fine concern--I made a thread on Biblical interpretations in this guild actually. You might have a peek at it if you find the time.
Now, some Christians find the Bible to be completely inerrant... Some Christians believe that there might be some human error, but the greater portion of it is divinely inspired and ultimately A-OK. It's up to you, and what you believe.
The Bible is basically a book of compiled scripts that are accepted as "canon." Now, depending on your tradition, you might omit a few, and add a few here 'n there...
Meh, in short because I... am so distracted right now, believe what you want, and let other Christians believe what they want about the Bible. There's no saying who's got it down better.
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Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2007 4:10 pm
You can Trust the Bible and not be a literalist. I don't believe that the World was created in 7 days either, a pretty solid portion of the Old Testament was figurative, not Historical fact. As for the books that aren't in the Bible, you can usually get the books online or somewhere, though if you're Catholic they are considered Heretical(Why? No Clue) by the Church..
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Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 10:17 pm
Quote: Saying this doesn't mean I don't believe in the Bible, its just that...well I don't believe God created the world in 7 days, I don't find it logical. Things like that make me wonder, how can we bilieve all that the Bible has when, since it was written by men, somethings might of being cut off as well as added... I'm curious bout this... like Takai said, you can be a pretty solid Christian and not believe in a literal Seven Day Creation. granted, most conservative biblical scholars believe in a literal interpretation of Genesis. i think the reason why is there is still a lack of conclusive evidence for the Big Bang or macroevolutionary (when used in the context of the beginning of life on Earth) theories. i think it's best not to be dogmatic either way, and say that either is wrong. currently i'm open to either interpretation, though i do sway a little more towards seven day creation, seeing as God's omnipotent and can make the universe through logos alone. so i'd say that it's God's will that His dealings with man and revelation to humanity is available without serious error or confusion. any serious deviations from what has been mainstream Christian interpretation of scripture for the last 2000 years, such as universalism or the belief that Christ wasn't God is refuted by a good number of reputable scholars of the Bible. any differing views that aren't essential to salvation (i'm including the Calvinism v. Armenianism thing in this) are minor, since they don't matter this side of eternity. and as Pirate related one of the views in her topic was, (which i share), there is human error in some historical matters, such as statistics of battles and how many stables Solomon had. this does not change that it is still divinely inspired. Quote: a pretty solid portion of the Old Testament was figurative, not Historical fact. i'm curious as to what exactly you think is figurative.
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Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 4:39 am
i like burnination Quote: a pretty solid portion of the Old Testament was figurative, not Historical fact. i'm curious as to what exactly you think is figurative. as noted, the Seven day Theory. I believe God created the world in seven acts, not necessarily seven 24-hour periods. Of course, as my Father-in-Law puts it, Eric Do you believe that God can make a day 23 hours? Do you believe that God can make a Day 25 hours? Then why can't God extend a Day into 26 Million years? The Logic is there somewhere, though I likely brutalized it, sorry. I can't recall all of what he said, he's said a lot of things I probably should have taken notes on sweatdrop
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Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 6:27 am
there may be hope for you yet, Satsu! (Just kidding) A prime example of a book not found in the bible is the Judas Gospel. It contains all sorts of things that the church would rather everyone not know. Such as (And keep in mind, I'm trying to remember stuff from a documentary I saw a few weeks ago; however, this is a real book): Jesus married Mary Magdeline and had a child (don't remember gender), How Jesus may not have been the kind, benevolent soul we take him for (he may have had fits of rage, and supposedly even killed), and the like. And another thing. Jesus' birthday also isn't December 25. It's actually the holiday of a tribe in that area, who happen to have a winter festival at that time. It's actually closer to July than anything else. The star the wise men followed? Wasn't a star. It was Jupiter. Not some other star.
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Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 9:13 am
Superior Jazz A prime example of a book not found in the bible is the Judas Gospel. It contains all sorts of things that the church would rather everyone not know. Such as (And keep in mind, I'm trying to remember stuff from a documentary I saw a few weeks ago; however, this is a real book): Jesus married Mary Magdeline and had a child (don't remember gender), How Jesus may not have been the kind, benevolent soul we take him for (he may have had fits of rage, and supposedly even killed), and the like. lol you do realize that the Judas Gospel was written much too late to be considered even remotely credible? Quote: And another thing. Jesus' birthday also isn't December 25. It's actually the holiday of a tribe in that area, who happen to have a winter festival at that time. It's actually closer to July than anything else. The star the wise men followed? Wasn't a star. It was Jupiter. Not some other star. irrelevant. it never says in the Bible that Jesus was born on December 25th. and some astronomers say that the star was Venus, Jupiter, and i believe another planet or some kind of celestial body. i went to waaay many showings of "The Christmas Star" at the planetarium on field trips. sweatdrop
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Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 1:54 pm
i like burnination Superior Jazz A prime example of a book not found in the bible is the Judas Gospel. It contains all sorts of things that the church would rather everyone not know. Such as (And keep in mind, I'm trying to remember stuff from a documentary I saw a few weeks ago; however, this is a real book): Jesus married Mary Magdeline and had a child (don't remember gender), How Jesus may not have been the kind, benevolent soul we take him for (he may have had fits of rage, and supposedly even killed), and the like. lol you do realize that the Judas Gospel was written much too late to be considered even remotely credible? Quote: And another thing. Jesus' birthday also isn't December 25. It's actually the holiday of a tribe in that area, who happen to have a winter festival at that time. It's actually closer to July than anything else. The star the wise men followed? Wasn't a star. It was Jupiter. Not some other star. irrelevant. it never says in the Bible that Jesus was born on December 25th. and some astronomers say that the star was Venus, Jupiter, and i believe another planet or some kind of celestial body. i went to waaay many showings of "The Christmas Star" at the planetarium on field trips. sweatdrop ~wave of dismissal~ Minor detail. And all I have is irrelevance... it's so much fun...
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Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 10:46 pm
Superior Jazz ~wave of dismissal~ Minor detail. And all I have is irrelevance... it's so much fun... 3nodding Quote: as noted, the Seven day Theory. I believe God created the world in seven acts, not necessarily seven 24-hour periods. so then ... not the "majority of the Old Testament" as you put it?
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Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2007 9:43 am
i like burnination Superior Jazz ~wave of dismissal~ Minor detail. And all I have is irrelevance... it's so much fun... 3nodding Quote: as noted, the Seven day Theory. I believe God created the world in seven acts, not necessarily seven 24-hour periods. so then ... not the "majority of the Old Testament" as you put it? I see alot of the OT as parables. Psalms and Proverbs, for instance, not a historical reading, but uplifting song and lyric. How many of the books were passed on by tongue for how many centuries before being scribed? And how many different versions have we found?
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Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 11:07 pm
a year and i get back to this! Quote: Psalms and Proverbs, for instance, not a historical reading, but uplifting song and lyric. well, one of them anyway. Quote: How many of the books were passed on by tongue for how many centuries before being scribed? And how many different versions have we found? true, but what's your point here (if you remember razz )?
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Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 3:15 pm
i like burnination a year and i get back to this! Quote: Psalms and Proverbs, for instance, not a historical reading, but uplifting song and lyric. well, one of them anyway. Proverbs are Proverbs. there. Now I got them both Quote: Quote: How many of the books were passed on by tongue for how many centuries before being scribed? And how many different versions have we found? true, but what's your point here (if you remember razz )? Best guess...did you ever do that circle thing in Elementary school, where all the class sat in a circle, the teacher would tell the first person something, then they'd pass it on down the circle, and by the time it got to the last person, it ended up being "purple Hippos Mambo" or something? That's kinda what I'm guessing it meant. There's also another possibility, where remember how I mentioned I should be writing alot of what my Father-In-Law says? It's because I cannot remember it word for word. That's the problem with passing something on by word alone, things get left out or added over time. What I also meant, by different versions, we keep finding earlier copies of the letters and books used in the NT. They are different from what the ones we are currently using. How much of this had also happened to the OT, when it was only being passed on by word of mouth.
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Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 11:34 pm
i think the oral passing down of Jewish history, tradition, and story was held in much greater respect and regard than playing Telephone in kindergarten. i'm sure many Jews would be offended by your comparison. Quote: They are different from what the ones we are currently using. like?
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Posted: Sun Nov 23, 2008 7:08 pm
and you're probably going to take what meaning you want to from my words, so at the moment I don't see much reason to continue this discussion. Thanks for reminding me why I left Gaia the first time.
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Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2008 12:43 am
i guess that's your prerogative. i couldn't care less. whatever makes you happy.
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