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 Posted: Wed Aug 19, 2009 5:53 am
If you've read the books, you get that Jon is the b*****d son of Eddard Stark. But think about Eddard, one of the few honorable men in the Seven Kingdoms, having a b*****d son. Just doesn't feel like it fits, does it? And all anyone has to prove he's Eddard's son is Eddard's word on that, as the boy came home with him from Dorne, after he killed the last of the King's Guard trying to bring his sister home.
And in his flashback in the first book, he recalls her laying in a blood-soaked bed, dying in Dorne. When is a bed soaked in blood? Either she was stabbed there, or there's something more going on. Also, think about how long it would take to travel from King's Landing to Dorne. Add time for how long it took for him to start his pursuit, and you're looking at at least nine months between her kidnapping and Eddard's arrival.
So the point I'm making is, am I the only one who suspects Jon is actually the son of Rhaegar Targaryen? That would actually make him the rightful heir to the Iron Throne, though he gave that right up when he took the black, and is unlikely to break that oath.
Or, does anyone else have other ideas on this?
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Posted: Wed Aug 19, 2009 10:18 am
Hmm it is a very interesting theory.
But i don't think it's likely at all.
Jon has nothing of the targaryen look in him.
No silver hair or purple eyes.
And he's the spitting image of ned not to mention out of all of his siblings i would say he is the truest child of ned's blood base born or not.
Plus factoring in the king robert seemed to remember the woman that ned had conceived jon with.
Then when arya was captured and taken to beric, the boy squire she rode with i forget his first name.
But he was a dayne and the lord of starfell now if i recall correctly.
He mentioned that he was jon snow's milk brother and had weaned with his mother, even giving name to her.
About the time frame though i think it's way off.
Going by the fact that after rhaegar took lyanna her brother brandon rode to kings landing to challenge him and was arrested that would have taken time.
Then add in the time it took for his father rickard to travel from winterfel to kings landing to speak on the release of his son.
Then go by how long it took news of there deaths to reach ned, then add in the time it took to rally houses to robert the battles to be fought.
Then finally going to dorne, i would say lyanna was with rhaegar for a good 2-3 years at the least.
You do bring up a very good point about the bloody bed though.
I had always assumed she had just been raped far to often and far to brutally.
And that well she had been torn apart down there and left to die slowly from the blood loss.
Though someone could have stabbed her as a final strike at ned before he took the place where she was held.
But i can see that maybe she did have a child by rhaegar, and knowing ned after what happened at the red keep with rhaegar's other children.
I can easily see him hiding the child and never mentioning who it belonged to.
I don't believe it was jon snow, but i can see that perhaps lyanna had his child, and that there may be another targaryen with rights to the throne beyond danny.
About jon snow and the targaryen's though, i did have one suspicion.
I think danny and her three dragons will end up involved with the war against the others at some point in the future of the series.
And seeing as the dragon has 3 heads and 3 riders are needed for 3 dragons.
I thought that perhaps jon would be one of the three.
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Posted: Wed Aug 19, 2009 3:43 pm
That theory makes you think a lot about Jon Snow. But if he is a Targaryen, Dany would need a husband of Targaryen blood whee To me it doesn't matter if Jon Snow took the black, he already broke his oath while he was with the wildlings. He might break his oath to be a King! Who knows, instead of him looking like a Targaryen his genes might has made him look more of a Stark because of his mother!
I must say I am very happy to have discussions about the book aside from my husbands theories
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Posted: Wed Aug 19, 2009 6:34 pm
He would never need break his oath to be king! If, in fact, he was king, a King can break a man of his oath to the black, remember? They said it a few times. He could easily just decie to be king, without being an oathbreaker. Also, I need to check my books, but I do kind of buy into the "Jon Targaryen" thing. Ned is just too Honorable to sleep around.
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Posted: Wed Aug 19, 2009 6:40 pm
Interesting points on the dragon rider, and possible suitable husband for Danerys. I hadn't thought of that. Need to get my books back from Phil and start rethinking things from that perspective...
@Zeke: True, they have spoken about a King being able to relieve a man of his oath. But, Maester Aemon took the black to take himself out of contention for the throne in his own youth. Although there were other legitimate heirs at that time, and he simply the least crazy. Hm. Things to think on.
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Posted: Wed Aug 19, 2009 6:56 pm
Little Love Love That theory makes you think a lot about Jon Snow. But if he is a Targaryen, Dany would need a husband of Targaryen blood whee To me it doesn't matter if Jon Snow took the black, he already broke his oath while he was with the wildlings. He might break his oath to be a King! Who knows, instead of him looking like a Targaryen his genes might has made him look more of a Stark because of his mother! I must say I am very happy to have discussions about the book aside from my husbands theories
Danny can't have kids, though. Snow/Targaryan would be a husband only by title, if at all.
Also: he's on the Wall. He can't, or won't, leave it, for anything. Being a Head of the three headed dragon would make him leave it.
I think it's referring to Baby Aegon. I hold a personal theory that he's one of the heads, and is in fact the Darkstar, on of Arinna's compaions when she tried to steal the Princess.
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Posted: Wed Aug 19, 2009 7:00 pm
It doesn't sound right but knowing Martin it sounds like exactly something he would do. The way I read the books after the first one was to take what I thought was going to happen and reverse it; this fits in perfectly.
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Posted: Sat Aug 22, 2009 12:43 pm
On other discussion boards, there's an equation that says:
R+L= J
Rhaegar + Lyanna Stark= Jon Snow
That's my story, and I'm sticking to it. razz
The one person I'm dying to hear from is a certain crannogman named Howland Reed. He's the only person alive who knows what happened at the Tower of Joy, and presumably knows about Lyanna and Jon Snow's real identity.
I also wonder about Tyrion. Something tells me he might be more than "just" a Lannister.
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Posted: Sat Aug 22, 2009 1:59 pm
He's too awesome to not just be a Lannister.
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Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 6:24 pm
Hm. I definitely think that this is very possible. I, personally think it all adds up.
First, there is Ned to consider. He seems far too honorable to just sleep around. He won't betray his king, not even to save his own life (though when Cersei threatens his daughters, it's another matter entirely), but he obviously has a strong sense of honor. Then there is the promise he made to Lyanna, some secret. And he refuses to talk about Jon's parentage, not even with his own wife, or his best friend. Though when you consider Robert's feelings towards the Targaryens, Rhaegar in particular, he probably would have been... Mad.
Then there is Lyanna herself, in a bed of blood. As someone already stated, there are many reasons why this could be so, and that she was in labor is a believable reason, especially after what supposedly went on between her and Rhaegar.
And then, I can't remember when this was, but Dany had a vision of a winter rose growing out of a wall of ice, or something like that. Lyanna was symbolized by the winter rose, and Jon is on the wall.
I dunno, to me it makes perfect sense.
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