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 Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 9:47 am
Just thought it was high time I start a topic here.
I have heard multiple beliefs concerning the Bible (and Torah and Qu'ran) and how it was written... and I would just like to hear what the guild thinks.
The Bible is:
Divinely Inspired - Meaning that God spoke with men, and men wrote what they felt. They did not take direct dictation and copy the words of God as God would have them do, but instead, they took what they learned from speaking with God, and transcribed it. Leaves room for human bias and error.
The Undefiled Word of God - God dictated to men what should be written in the Bible. This belief also includes faith in that the books selected by Constantine were also the effect of direct dictation from God, and that even the English (and other language's) translations are just as God intended them to be.
A Little Bit o' Both - Some books were divinely inspired, and others were indeed the undefiled word of God. (See definitions.)
A Fictional Work Written for Entertainment Purposes - People wrote the books present in the Bible as a simple form of entertainment.
A Result of Hallucination, Drug Use, and Self-Deceit - Meaning the authors of the various books think that they were spoken to by God, and wrote what they thought He would have them write, but in actuallity, did not come in contact with God.
Two things I'd like to express my personal opinion of...
One, about the Bible being a fictional work written for entertainment... I have heard this multiple times on ED and M&R, and each time I see it, I cringe. I honestly don't think that any holy text could have been written only as entertainment in fictional form. I do not think that in 2,000 or so years, people will center a religion around the worship of a beanstock that leads to a giant who owns a golden-egg-laying goose and harp-lady. People are not that stupid.
As far as a result of self-deceit is concerned--this is the one I agree with the most. Because I cannot bring myself to believe that any god has ever existed, this is the most logical conclusion that I can come to. Shamans and the like in many cultures used drugs to help them see the spirits. Some didn't need drugs--they only needed to believe. Just what I think--having studied religions from an anthropological viewpoint. No offense intended.
Which do you believe? Or do you believe something else?
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Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 9:11 pm
This one sounds more fun. The Undefiled Word of God
I don't think God'd let people screw up something so important.
And for this. A Result of Hallucination, Drug Use, and Self-Deceit. Don't forget aliens.
A Fictional Work Written for Entertainment Purposes. I would totally. Not even close to find it to entertain. Just because it was. So unentertaining. And people generally take/took it so seriously.
A Little Bit o' Both. This seems safer. But dumb. Just because half way undefiled doesn't make sense.
Divinely Inspired. I think. This is like the same, or might as well be. The same as a little o' both.
But the whole thing is so. Rough. It's just. I don't even know.
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Posted: Fri Apr 21, 2006 12:21 pm
Well... since you ask...
I think it was originally intended as simple entertainment for children, in order to try to get them to behave. The people would always threaten their children in order to make them behave, so they wrote all those stories down.
Either that, or some interesting concoction of illegal herbage, lysergic acid diethylamide, and alien intervention. For those that don't know what I'm talking about, that would be weed, LSD, and a really good excuse, in that order.
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Posted: Sat Apr 22, 2006 2:25 pm
Well, obviously, I believe the bible is divinely inspired. The bible calls the word 'God-Breathed'--so while the authors wrote it, their writings were inspired by God. You can't say it's direct dictation, because the authors retain their own style of writing--Paul has a distict voice, different from the voice of say, John or James.
I hardly see how it's an entertaining volume of children's stories....uh...have you ever read Song of Songs? Hebrew culture won't let boys read it until they turn 13--because some of it is, well, pillow talk.
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Posted: Sat Apr 22, 2006 6:23 pm
hmm, my view is confusing because it's a paradox. many say that Paul wrote his letters, yet at the same time it was the Holy Spirit. so basically i view the Bible as a combination of undefiled Word of God and Divinely Inspired. what i mean is that God didn't say "write down these things like this: ...", but the Holy Spirit did use them to write letters to the churches. i can't exactly put it into words perfectly because then it would sound like a contradiction. but that's what a paradox is: something that on the surface seems like a contradiction, but both things are true.
it's hard to put it into words. D:
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Posted: Sun Apr 23, 2006 7:45 am
For me it's a combination of divinely inspired and the undefiled word of God.
Divinely inspired because most of these ppl, especially the ones written in the new testament, I'd agree with i like burnination, Paul wrote the epistles thru the inspiration of the Holy Spirit.
Undefiled word of God because most of the books written in the old testament were spoken by God to the prophets. The ones which were written by Moses, Isaiah, Jeremiah, etc. They were messages of rebuke, correction, care, help, the promise of salvation and most especially of love, and other stuff that God wants to tell His chosen ppl, the Israelites.
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Posted: Sun Apr 23, 2006 8:12 am
Superior Jazz Well... since you ask...
I think it was originally intended as simple entertainment for children, in order to try to get them to behave. The people would always threaten their children in order to make them behave, so they wrote all those stories down.
Either that, or some interesting concoction of illegal herbage, lysergic acid diethylamide, and alien intervention. For those that don't know what I'm talking about, that would be weed, LSD, and a really good excuse, in that order. i think that shows that you really haven't looked at the Bible at all. confused
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Posted: Sun Apr 23, 2006 9:14 am
I believe that the orginal bible was probably a direct dictation for the most part, and a mix of teachings, but theirs something about the translated versions that throw me for a loop. Like why are there so many different versions of the english bible if it were a direct dictation?
Translations are not flawless, therefore I believe that the translated versions are bias and probably divinely inspired.
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Posted: Sun Apr 23, 2006 4:32 pm
It's the word of God. Point blank. It's not as complicated as we make it sound. If you don't believe that God exists then obviously then you don't beleive the word of God. What I don't understand is how God fearing people say that they beleive in Him yet don't beleive in His word. Everythign in the bible has a purpose.
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Posted: Thu May 18, 2006 1:29 pm
I went with Devinely Inspired - I believe that God Interacted with specific huan beings - the Bible's "writers" - and the writers recorded what they learned.
Kind of like taking notes in class... it's not a direct dictation, but you jot down what you (and generations after you) need to know for later.
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Posted: Thu May 18, 2006 8:41 pm
i like burnination Superior Jazz Well... since you ask...
I think it was originally intended as simple entertainment for children, in order to try to get them to behave. The people would always threaten their children in order to make them behave, so they wrote all those stories down.
Either that, or some interesting concoction of illegal herbage, lysergic acid diethylamide, and alien intervention. For those that don't know what I'm talking about, that would be weed, LSD, and a really good excuse, in that order. i think that shows that you really haven't looked at the Bible at all. confused It's rather boring, isn't it? Weak plot. Lack of detail. Jesus is a Mary-Sue.
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Posted: Fri May 19, 2006 1:20 am
PirateEire i like burnination Superior Jazz Well... since you ask...
I think it was originally intended as simple entertainment for children, in order to try to get them to behave. The people would always threaten their children in order to make them behave, so they wrote all those stories down.
Either that, or some interesting concoction of illegal herbage, lysergic acid diethylamide, and alien intervention. For those that don't know what I'm talking about, that would be weed, LSD, and a really good excuse, in that order. i think that shows that you really haven't looked at the Bible at all. confused It's rather boring, isn't it? Weak plot. Lack of detail. Jesus is a Mary-Sue. uh....somehow I disagree........... with the boring, C.S. Lewis (whom I love) has said that that was one of the reasons the gospel 'myths' had a ring of truth...he realized that if a myth were to become fact, that is exactly how it would sound...lacking some of the wonder of other myths....
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Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2006 1:03 am
PirateEire i like burnination Superior Jazz Well... since you ask...
I think it was originally intended as simple entertainment for children, in order to try to get them to behave. The people would always threaten their children in order to make them behave, so they wrote all those stories down.
Either that, or some interesting concoction of illegal herbage, lysergic acid diethylamide, and alien intervention. For those that don't know what I'm talking about, that would be weed, LSD, and a really good excuse, in that order. i think that shows that you really haven't looked at the Bible at all. confused It's rather boring, isn't it? Weak plot. Lack of detail. Jesus is a Mary-Sue. I think you are being disrespectful now.
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Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2006 11:06 am
I said that to support my previous statement that it was not meant as entertainment. To me, it's all but entertaining. I heard that Mary Sue thing elsewhere some time ago. Threw it in for humour.
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Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2007 6:39 pm
so i heard someone say his view on the Bible and i agree with it.
the Bible is inerrant in it's message, but not infallible as in it can have errors in matters not relating to God and our relationship with Him, considering that there's a lot of rounding up when it comes to army numbers in the Old Testament.
plus this means that people can't be like "HOW MANY STABLES DID SOLOMON HAVE? TELL ME OR YOUR BIBLE IS WRONG!"
sorry to revive a dead topic. <__<;
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